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Net2004
June 8, 2005, 06:23 AM
"THE EVOLUTION DECEIT BY HARUN BY YAHYA":
A FUNDAMENALIST CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE WITH THE ISLAMIC
VEIL.
[A version of this book review by me was published in November, 2000 issue
of Minaret.]


Many Muslims and Islamic Centers use the book "The Evolution Deceit" by
Harun Yahya to discredit the Theory of Evolution. I happened to see this
book displayed in at least one Islamic Center in Toledo, Ohio. Therefore, it
is important to expose some facts about this book that poison the minds of
Muslim youth. Recent book review with the heading "The Evolution Deceit
Reveals Holes in Theory" by an anonymous author in Minaret [vol. 22: 8] is
misleading and deceptive. The Evolution Deceit by Harun Yahya is a
fundamentalist Christian deception under the cover of Islamic veil. This
book misleads those innocent Muslims who lack overall knowledge of theory of
evolution and biology. Minerat states: the book "gives necessary answers to
the evolutionist propaganda." The author adds: the book "displays the
fraudulence and distortions [by] evolutionist scientists." NO!!! In fact his
book Yahya distorts the honest mainstream scientists by fraudulently
manipulating their statements. This book is a classic carbon copy of
fundamentalist Christian arguments of Institute for Creation Research (ICR),
San Diego; CA. Yahya cunningly launches the ICR arguments in a Muslim mold
with frequent references to Allah and the Qur'an. Behaving like a good
student of the ICR, he transcribed into his book all ICR arguments such as
lack of transitional fossils, the impossibility of functioning intermediate
forms, the fraud of human evolutions, the unreliability of the dating
methods, and the statistical improbability of evolution at the molecular
levels.
Following the ICR's modus operandi, Yahya uses psuedoscience to promote his
interpretation of the Qur'an. The references he cites in the book usually
support and defend evolution. But he takes just one sentence out of the
article that he thinks might seem to support his arguments and use it as his
scientific reference. Like the ICR, he generally distorts a single news item


>from popular journals to "prove" his conclusion. He conveniently ignores the


fact that the rest of the article or other articles in the same issue of the
journal that defend and support evolution, even though the Qur'an commands,
".Conceal not evidence." [Qur'an 2: 283].

These tactics and strategies of Yahya in the book are borrowed from and
instructed by his fundamentalist Christian mentors from the ICR such as
Duane Gish, Henry Morris, John Morris, etc. Yahya and his organization,
Bilim Arastirma Vakfi [BAV]-Scientific Research Foundation, has a long
history of association with the ICR since 1992 including receiving
assistance from it. Yahya became well acquainted with Duane Gish and Henry
Morris during their numerous trips to Turkey in search of Noah's Ark [Ref:
Acts & Facts 1998a, 1998b]. Duane Gish and Henry Morris were participant in
a conference on creationism organized by Yahya and BAV in 1992. Then later
in April and July 1998 Yahya and BAV organized three "international"
conferences in collaboration with the ICR with a theme of "The Collapse of
the Theory of Evolution: The Fact of Creation." Gish and Morris were invited
main speakers in the conferences.


After the conference Morris described the presence of the ICR in the
conferences in Turkey as an "effort to bring Turks to Christ." [Ref: ICR
publication, Impact # 318 December 1999]. In another article, titled,
"Creation, Christmas, and the Qur'an" Henry Morris hopes, "the Muslims
influenced by the ICR will come to know Christ." [Ref: ICR publication:
"Back to Genesis" December 1998, page 120]. Similar hope is expressed by
John Morris, the current director of the ICR, in an article titled
"creationist Evangelism." [Ref: the ICR publication: "Acts & Facts" 1998,
27:9].


In page 222 of Yahya's book, he presents Duane Gish as "World-renowned
evolution expert." This is another fraudulent claim by Yahya. There is not a
single article published by Gish in any of the known peer-reviewed journals
in the last 25 years. Of course, he has published many articles in Christian
publications. Gish is one of the founding fathers of Christian
Fundamentalist organization, the ICR. Gish is a biochemist who has done no
paleo-anthropological research himself. One of Gish's tactics is to malign
the credibility of the anthropologists in general who study human evolution
by citing examples of their mistakes, especially misidentified fossils. One
of the protocols of a good scientist is that a person who makes a claim
bears the burden of documenting it. But Yahya's "World-renowned" Gish
refuses to follow this protocol after he made a statement that humans are
closer to frogs based upon data for amino acid sequence in some proteins in
frogs and human. [Ref: PBS science program Nova in 1982]. Gish repeatedly
promised to produce the documentation of his claim, but did not. He violated
the protocol of a good scientist when he said it was the evolutionists' job
to ferret out the information. [Ref: Eve, Raymond A. & Harrold, Francis
B.1990. "The Creationist Movement in America" Boston: Twayne Publishers.
Page 83]. Duane Gish's conduct in this instance shows that he does not fit
the mold of a "world-renowned scientist," not even the mold of a regular
scientist.
Who are Harun Yahya's other mentors? Henry Morris and John Morris! The
father-son combination!! Henry Morris is not a biologist or paleontologist.
He is a hydraulic engineer. The best way to introduce him is by his own
words so that the readers can make their own judgments. His opinion about
science: "It is precisely because Bible revelation is absolutely
authoritative and perspicuous that the scientific facts, rightly
interpreted, will give the testimony as that of Scripture. There is not a
slightest possibility that the facts of science can contradict the Bible."
[Ref: Morris, Henry M., ed. 1974. "Scientific creationism" (public school
edition). San Diego: Creation-Life Pubs.].


Henry Morris states about the age of the earth: "In the Bible, which is the
Word of God, He has told us everything we need to know about the Creation
and earth's primeval history."[Ref: Morris, Henry., 1967. "Evolution and the
Modern Christian." Philadelphia: Presbyterian and Reformed Pub. Co.]
"The only way we can determine the true age of the earth is from God to
tell us what it is. And Since He has told us, very plainly, in the Holy
Scriptures that it is several thousand years in age, and no more, that ought
to settle all basic questions terrestrial chronology."
[Ref: The Remarkable Birth of Planet Earth by Henry Morris. Minneapolis,
Minn.
Dimension Books.1972. page.94.]. Henry Morris states again in another
publication "that the earth almost certainly was created less than 10,000
years ago."[Ref: Morris, Henry., 1977. "The scientific Case for
Creationism." San Diego: Creation-Life Pub.].


Finally, Henry M. Morris--John Morris's father, Duane Gish's boss, the
founder of the Institute for Creation Research--apparently suspects Muhammed
[[pbuh] of trafficking with the devil? I quote: "Muhammed himself, with
his presumed visions and revelations, was something of a mystic, and there
is legitimate reason to wonder whether or not his 'angelic' revelations were
really from God...The 'revelations' received by Mohammed from his visiting
spiritual entities, while stressing the supremacy of Allah, presented a
vastly different portrait of God's character and purposes than those
inspired by the Holy Spirit through the prophets and apostles of both Old
and New Testaments. It is all but impossible that they could have been from
the same source." (Henry M. Morris, The Long War Against God, Grand Rapids,
Michigan: Baker Book House 1989, pp. 229-30).
John Morris holds same opinion as his father regarding the age of the
earth and probably about Prophet [pbuh]. Otherwise, he would not be the
director of the ICR. Anyone holding such views regarding the age of the
earth cannot be called "famous geologist" as Yahya venerate him. He can be
recognized as a "geologist of the Bible or a biblical scholar" but
definitely not as "famous geologist."
John Morris, current director of ICR, is a geological engineer, not
geologist, who is not engaged currently in geological work. John Morris,
Yahya's mentor, after attending the conferences organized by BAV and Harun


Yahya, wrote: "As a group [BAV of Turkey], they have access to more than


adequate financial resources, as well as to the media, are able to blanket
the country with creation information. They choose to invite international
creationists for their publicity value, but especially welcome Christian
creationists in the ICR mold rather than those who those who hold merely an
anti-Darwinian stance."
[Ref: Morris, John. "Creationist Evangelism in Turkey." Acts & Facts 1998;
27:9.]
To conclude, Yahya's mentors are fundamentalist Christians. Yahya's
tactics and strategies are those practiced by the fundamentalist Christians.
Yahya even fraudulently venerate Duane Gish, Morris, etc., as
"World-renowned" scientists and evolution experts. Therefore,
Yahya's book, The Evolution Deceit, is a fundamentalist Christian fraud,
under the cover of Islamic veil, that misrepresents Islam and the Qur'an.
Those Muslims, that promote Yahya's book as savior of Muslims from the
"secular ideology" of evolution, must look for some other source than Yahya'
s book.

Peace

s.r.i

Peez
June 8, 2005, 09:59 AM
I have attended a presentation by one of Harun Yahya's flunkies, and I can confirm that it is the same old creationist nonsense. (Note that Harun Yahya is a pen name (http://www.harunyahya.com/theauthor.php)). Talk.Origins has a short note on his organization: Science Research Foundation (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/organizations/#creation) (at the bottom of the page.) A couple of links:

The book's website: The Evolution Deceit (http://www.evolutiondeceit.com/) :down:

From Talk.Origins: Harun Yahya and Holocaust Revisionism (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/organizations/harunyahya.html) :eek:

Peez

Da Vinci
February 4, 2006, 05:40 PM
Like every other book of Harun Yahya (his real name is Adnan Oktar and he is Turkish) that book is full of misrepresentations, misquotes, misinformation and lies. He is clearly dishonest. We expose his dishonesty in our Turkish forums and blogs.

judanne
February 4, 2006, 08:32 PM
Ha! another infidel joins the ranks of the evil atheist conspiracy...welcome to II Da Vinci! :wave:

judanne, E/C moderator

Da Vinci
February 5, 2006, 04:12 AM
Thanks judanne :jump:

SireChaos
February 5, 2006, 02:28 PM
I don´t know what worries me more: the dishonesty that these folks will stoop to in order to attack evolution, or the fact that´s reading stuff like the OP no longer even surprises me... :(

Da Vinci
February 5, 2006, 03:43 PM
An article about Harun Yahya: Harun Yahya or Adnan Oktar: The Promised Mahdi? (http://19.org/index.php?id=14,335,0,0,1,0)

In fact he has nothing to do with science and he doesn't write that books. They have an organization and the organization does all the job but Harun Yahya is seen as the writer. Harun Yahya is only a fool who thinks he is mahdi :D

Grengor
February 5, 2006, 03:50 PM
Ahahahahaha! He thinks he's the rightly guided one? My ass!

llDayo
February 6, 2006, 09:51 AM
He looks like a Columbian drug lord.

Da Vinci
February 6, 2006, 10:23 AM
He looks like a Columbian drug lord.
You can be sure that he is worse than that :D :D

JPD
February 6, 2006, 10:26 AM
I remember visiting his bookshop in Istanbul. I hadn't yet deconverted from Islam but something made me feel uneasy about purchasing one of his books (I had previously been impressed by one of his websites) and so I left it. His books (you can read many online if you feel like hoovering your brain out) contain the same blunders as many of the "arguments" creationists utilise here. The ones that demonstrate that they haven't understood what they are arguing with.

Eoraptor
February 6, 2006, 10:42 AM
It seems that Harun Yahya (e.g. Otkar or the BAV) are doing a talk to the islam soc of our uni (unless other islamic creationists exist), and have just be researching this. Should be interesting to mention the claim of holocuast denial and consorting with anti-muslims...

RBH
February 6, 2006, 10:51 AM
His books (you can read many online if you feel like hoovering your brain out) contain the same blunders as many of the "arguments" creationists utilise here. The ones that demonstrate that they haven't understood what they are arguing with.That's because there is no little contact between U.S. YEC organizations (e.g., tje Institute for Creation Research (http://www.icr.org/)) and Harun Yahya. A fellow who is (or was) apparently closely associated with Harun Yahya testified in the Kansas Kangaroo Kourt (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kansas/kangaroo9.html#p4008) hearings. See here (http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/05/why_do_the_musl.html) for more.

RBH

JPD
February 6, 2006, 11:07 AM
That's because there is no little contact between U.S. YEC organizations (e.g., tje Institute for Creation Research (http://www.icr.org/)) and Harun Yahya. A fellow who is (or was) apparently closely associated with Harun Yahya testified in the Kansas Kangaroo Kourt (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kansas/kangaroo9.html#p4008) hearings. See here (http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/05/why_do_the_musl.html) for more.

RBH

I'm shocked but not particularly surprised. Comment #36648 provides a glimmer of hope. What a waste of a brain. Brainwashed he evidently is but not stupid.

MrDarwin
February 6, 2006, 11:38 AM
Ah yes, our old friend the deceitful Harun Yahya. I commented on him in a previous discussion a few years back:

I've commented previously about Harun Yahya's "A Whale Fantasy from National Geographic" (http://www.trueorigin.org/ng_whales01.asp):

Fossil remains of the extinct mammal Pakicetus inachus, to give it its proper name, first came onto the agenda in 1983. P. D. Gingerich and his assistants, who found the fossil, had no hesitation in immediately claiming that it was a ?primitive whale,? even though they actually only found a skull.

Yet the fossil has absolutely no connection with the whale. Its skeleton turned out to be a four-footed structure, similar to that of common wolves. It was found in a region full of iron ore, and containing fossils of such terrestrial creatures as snails, tortoises or crocodiles. In other words, it was part of a land stratum, not an aquatic one.

Unfortunately for Harun Yahya, he's the one living in a fantasy world--or maybe he's just dishonest. Or possibly incredibly stupid. Maybe even all of the above! When I checked the original publication I found that the fossils of Pakicetus, which Harun Yahya asserts over and over was "clearly a land dweller", were found in alluvial sediments, in association with fossils of aquatic (not terrestrial) snails, turtles, and crocodiles. Note that to support his claims he conveniently leaves out any mention of alluvial sediments, changes "turtles" to "tortoises" and asserts that snails and crocodiles are terrestrial animals!

Wyz_sub10
February 6, 2006, 11:54 AM
We actually talked about him in the "Humour" forum about a month ago.

Here's someone with a children's evolution site that thinks (no lie or hyperbole) that evolution says that antelope turn into giraffes by running fast.

Da Vinci
February 6, 2006, 02:32 PM
Nearly his every claim is taken from American creationists. In the Turkish books he uses the translations of American creationists' books, articles and websites.

He has a book named Evrimcilerin İtirafları (http://www.harunyahya.org/evrim/evrimcilerinitiraflari/itiraflar01.html). But unfortunately there is not an English version of it. "Evrimcilerin İtirafları" means "Confessions of Evolutionists". That book is full of misquotes. It is totally unbelievable. There are countless misquotes. You can't imagine how idiotic misquotes there are. In other words, in that book there is 114 pages of bullshit.

He is a professional dishonest.

Sven
February 6, 2006, 02:49 PM
He has a book named Evrimcilerin İtirafları (http://www.harunyahya.org/evrim/evrimcilerinitiraflari/itiraflar01.html). But unfortunately there is not an English version of it. "Evrimcilerin İtirafları" means "Confessions of Evolutionists". That book is full of misquotes.
You mean: "fortunately there's no English version of it". I might add: fortunately, also no German one (at least I hope so).

In other words, in that book there is 114 pages of bullshit.
Where's the difference to other creationist books? ;)

He is a professional shonest.
Maybe he should meet Hovind. I'm sure the two would like each other. :love:

Da Vinci
February 6, 2006, 03:09 PM
You mean: "fortunately there's no English version of it". I might add: fortunately, also no German one (at least I hope so).
I said unfortunately because everybody should see his dishonesty, clearly. I mean he shouldn't be taken serious. His books are full of bullshit. He doesn't pass near anything scientific.

Sven
February 6, 2006, 03:17 PM
I said unfortunately because everybody should see his dishonesty, clearly.
Yes, I understood this. Maybe I should have added another ;) - but two are enough for one post. ;)

Dr.Xu
February 6, 2006, 03:21 PM
He has a book named Evrimcilerin İtirafları (http://www.harunyahya.org/evrim/evrimcilerinitiraflari/itiraflar01.html). But unfortunately there is not an English version of it. "Evrimcilerin İtirafları" means "Confessions of Evolutionists". That book is full of misquotes. It is totally unbelievable. There are countless misquotes. You can't imagine how idiotic misquotes there are. In other words, in that book there is 114 pages of bullshit.


Maybe it is his own version of this (http://www.icr.org/store/index.php?main_page=pubs_product_book_info&cPath=20_23&products_id=2313)book?

That Their Words May Be Used Against Them
Henry Morris
Compiled from over 50 years of study by Dr. Henry M. Morris, acknowledged to be the father of modern creationism. *Nearly 3,000 quotes from evolutionists divided into 15 chapters and 45 sections.

Then there is also "The Quote Book" by the Creation Science Foundation of Brisbane, Australia. Talk Origins (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/project.html) has a page on Creationist Quote mining. I wouldn't be surprised if "Evrimcilerin İtirafları" was actually a translation of one of those books...

(By the way, welcome, Da Vinci!)

Oolon Colluphid
February 7, 2006, 03:35 AM
In other words, in that book there is 114 pages of bullshit. Where's the difference to other creationist books? ;)
Maybe it's a bit shorter?

Da Vinci
February 7, 2006, 03:54 AM
Maybe it is his own version of this (http://www.icr.org/store/index.php?main_page=pubs_product_book_info&cPath=20_23&products_id=2313)book?

Then there is also "The Quote Book" by the Creation Science Foundation of Brisbane, Australia. Talk Origins (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/project.html) has a page on Creationist Quote mining. I wouldn't be surprised if "Evrimcilerin İtirafları" was actually a translation of one of those books...

(By the way, welcome, Da Vinci!)

First of all, thanks for the welcome :D

I think you are right. It is very probable that "Evrimcilerin İtirafları" is a compilation of translations of the quotes used in these books. And because of this, there is not an English version :D :D