Lesbian Bishop

[ideologyhunter]

One needs to invoke the proper saint in order to get the benefit and protection. There are thousands of them.

I was tempted to invent a saint with a loony domain, but I'm not sure I would've topped these actual examples from the remote and dusty corners & cubby holes of Catholicism.

St. Drogo - the patron saint of unattractive people, coffee houses, and bachelors. (Thus, he could serve me on two fronts.) (How cringe would it be to have your priest tell you to pray to St. Drogo, if you were lonely?)

St. Fiacre - the p.s. for gardening, taxi drivers, and venereal disease. Talk about catchalls. Robert DeNiro could use him if he caught the clap off a shared cucumber.

St. Bibiana - She's your pick if you have a hangover or a headache.

St. Friard - the p.s. for those who fear wasps.

St. Polycarp - the p.s. of dysentery. Is his name Latin for 'many carp'? And wouldn't eating them give you dysentery in the first place? Vatican scholars should investigate.

 

[steve_bank]

If you want saints with loony domains look at the list of saints.

There is a saint for all occasions.

 

[bilby]

St. Drogo - the patron saint of unattractive people, coffee houses, and bachelors. (Thus, he could serve me on two fronts.)

You are unmarried and like coffee?

 

[ideologyhunter]

Or maybe I like coffee and am mad uggo and look like a pan fried monkey. That's the payoff to internet anonymity.

 

[SLD]

Actually it would be a Saint Christoper medallion hanging over the car dashboard, he is the patrol saint of travelers.

One needs to invoke the proper saint in order to get the benefit and protection. There are thousands of them.

How many saints are there?

The precise number of Catholic saints is debatable, but revisions to the canonization process ensured we will see more saints in the future.

uscatholic.org

These 802 men and women will join the more than 10,000 saints the Catholic Church already venerate

If you like mythology and rituals and dead mystical saints with supernatural powers to intervene with humans then the Catholic church is for you.

Kind of like dead Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars.

Yes, that’s how they grew the church, by co opting local gods, and making them saints.

See the Milagro bean field war movie.

 

[steve_bank]

Yea, I had not thought of that before.

The Catholic saints as another manifestation of the influence of Greek/Roman mythology.

AI Overview
Greek mythology directly shaped Christianity’s development, providing the language, cultural framework, and philosophical imagery used to explain the new religion. Because early Christianity spread through the Hellenized Roman world, classical ideas naturally blended with Judeo-Christian concepts, influencing everything from theology to popular iconography.

Did not look deeply. Looks like saints is yet another field of theology debated between Catholics and Protestants.

AI Overview
Protestantism does not have canonized saints like the Catholic Church, but denominations—especially Anglicans and Lutherans—honor historical Christians, martyrs, and biblical figures as exemplary models of faith. Instead of praying to them, Protestants view saints as inspirations, focusing their prayers entirely on God.

 

[Jarhyn]

I find it hilarious that the entirety of what "Jesus" thought about the gays is based on really thin mal-interpretations of quotes that essentially identified childless living as rendered decades later by an incel who claimed "just trust me bro, a ghost told me I'm right."

Matthew 19:12 is Jesus's response as to whether people ought marry and have wives and children.

They don't.

Jesus had clearly been to Rome, or a bigger city in the empire, and encountered eunuchs doing what he considered "living for the kingdom of heaven" completely outside the structure of Judaism and "his church".

If we are really just going on what the very core of Christianity is based on, namely the quotes of the man or men they call "Jesus Christ", then there is no argument against ANY non-reproductive sex by any non-married person, and sticking with the person you are married with because it's important for the stability of a family.

As Jesus is widely credited as not being his mother's husband's child, his commitment to stable homes and families for children is well understood.

The only really weird part was the part credited to Jesus in the Coptic Gospel of Thomas, and that part was essentially saying he would help Mary be a trans-man so she would go to heaven, which is kinda fucked up to think "women" were dead of "spirit".

All indications are that he was in the most gender-progressive faction of his day, and that Paul and ditto-headed incels are responsible for all the actual sex-hating bit.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Hold on a tick -- why is there is no thread for Inerrantist Astrophysicist??

 

[southernhybrid]

Learner

I will rephrase, does the image of an erect penis trouble you in any way? A vagina? Women;s bare breasts?

To me from a science view nothing in nature is binary in a broad sense. There is always variation.

For us humans hair color, ears, body types, skin color, height, teeth, eyes, mouth, nose all have variation

Hetero females can have masculine voices, hetero males can have female quality voices.

Is it so srrange and unbelievable that sexuality also has variations?

Are lesbians statistically more dangerous to society that hetero women?

Public nudity is generally legal in Seattle, but it is heavily regulated by intent and location. Nudity alone is not a crime, but you can be arrested or fined if your actions intentionally cause a "reasonable affront or alarm," or cross into indecent exposure or lewd conduct.

You say lesbianism is 'lust'. How do you know that? So as I asked is it just bcau8se of something written thousands of years ago by a superstitious tribal couture allegedly ordained by god, or is it a reasoned decision to oppose lesbianism on factuall grounds?

Nakedness doe not get a and kind of rise out of me. Back in the 70s I shared an apartment with two brothers. Or girlfriends were fiends and students at the Hartford Ballet company.

We did not walk around naked, but seeing and being seen naked is no big deal once you get over the novelty

Some of my girlfriends friends were gay. I got to know the stage manager of the company, he was gay. When passing through his neighborhood I'd stop in and say hello.

I think thousands of years of Christianity has warped and twisted human sexuality.


The worse of it is the RCC with sexless presuming to dictate sexuality to the world in the name of a god.

Oh god help m,e!! I was walking down the street and saw a woman and I had thoughts of sex!!! Please god don't let my penis get hard!!

It's okay. Even the late President Jimmy Carter, who was a rather strong Christian, admitted that he lusted in his heart. If you wear baggy pants, nobody will know if you got an erection when you lust.

 

[southernhybrid]

Speaking of Saints....

There's Saint Woof Woof, Saint Go Fetch, Saint Walk With Me, Saint Playfulness, Saint Sofa Pup, Saint Cuddle Pup and Saint Lick Your Face.... Oh I forgot, Saint Protect the Door, and of course Saint Chi Chi, the smallest and most protective saint of all. I'm sure I forgot a few but those are some of my favorites.

 

[steve_bank]

The gospel Jesus reinforced Mosaic Law the the Jewish prophets

No divorce, adultery, or fornication. If you marry a divorced person you are guilty of adultery. Marriage between a man and a woman for life.

Back in he 70s I remember a claim Jesus being gay. I doubt that. Someone on the forum said because Jesus did not condemn homosexuality it was ok.

There was a mystical Jesus crowd that claimed Jesus spent his missing years in India.

Who knows.

Someone posted religion evolves. I suppose that some Christian sects now embrace gays and a god-Jesus that now loves gays is an expected evolution.

 

[bilby]

Someone posted religion evolves. I suppose that some Christian sects now embrace gays and a god-Jesus that now loves gays is an expected evolution.

Gods always have the exact same prejudices as their believers. If there are gay Christians, then there's a Jesus who is fine with homosexuality.

It's practically the defining feature of Gods that they want the things their adherents want - particularly if those adherents are ashamed of wanting those things.

"Well, I didn't want to burn the village, slaughter the men, rape the women, and enslave the children, obviously. But it was what God commanded me to do", has been a solid excuse for barbarity since the Old Testament days, and likely for thousands of years before that.

 

[Politesse]

The case for Jesus being anti-gay is pretty slim. There's more Scriptural evidence for Jesus veing anti-marriage than anti-gay. But they don't talk about that...

 

[steve_bank]

There are no detailed writings that survived attributed to a Jesus. Roe saw early Christians as heretic Jews.

Which is why one can read and project almost anything into the gospels.

Jesus in the gospels did not reject his Judaism and enforced Mosaic Law.

He did not need to invent a new religion, he was preaching the one he was born into.

That Jesus started a new religion I take to be a Catholic invention. They claim to be the one true Christian church tracing back to Jesus and the apostles.

If there was an HJ, he would have said a whole lot more than the few sound bites in the gospels.

By thee way, I was wondering if the bible says anything about thespians?

I do not get why a rational reasoning person would care what a 2000 year old dead Jewish preacher would care about what he or she does today.

 

[Jarhyn]

The gospel Jesus reinforced Mosaic Law the the Jewish prophets

No, he didn't, at least if we take Matthew 19 into account.

It is a clear Gospel Jesus account which strictly countered the Mosaic narrative, by accepting eunuchs as "living for the kingdom of heaven".

I reiterate that Judaism and mosaic law condemned those who were eunuchs and Jewish culture didn't seem to accept the roman tradition of Eunuchs.

So, of we take Matthew to be indicative (and I'm not sure we should but it IS literally "Gospel Jesus"), he was outright discussing gentiles and Jewish apostates saying that they were nonetheless "living for the kingdom of heaven".

This invalidates at least some segment of mosaic law in favor of more progressive sorts of views, if you could call anything of antiquity "progressive".

 

[steve_bank]

For all the reasons that have been said on the forum there is no way to know who an HJ may have been and what he said. There is no way to authenticate the gospels, embellished with supernatural events.

Jesus seems to be a mix of various Jewish sects of the day. The idea of a Jesus supporting gays has been around for some time. An anti marriage Jesus is a new one for me.

Anti marriage and pro gay would make Jesus more pagan than Jewish in the eyes of Jews of the day.

Jesus an ancient Hebrew Hippie? Free love, free uninhibited and unrestricted sex. No marriage.

Given the geopolitics of the day, I see the gospel Jesus calling Jews to get their act together or face destruction, which would be at the hands of Rome. The role of historical Jewish prophets,

The greatest threat to an HJ would not have been Rome, it would have been his fellow Jews. He allegedly disrupted the Temple calling out corruption.

Some Christians see a vengeful god and Jesus, others like gay Christians and liberals see a loving all embracing god and Jesus.

All projections

At the end of the day whatever floats your boat. You can pock and chose what to cite and how to interpret


Jesus for 2000 years has been a way to self validate yourself.

 

[Jarhyn]

Jesus an ancient Hebrew Hippie? Free love, free uninhibited and unrestricted sex. No marriage

This is also not accurate, though.

He was all for marriage, if the sex someone was having would produce children.

The situation where he talked about people not doing things to make kids was immediately after saying "if someone is going to have a wife they should stick together".

 

[Michael S. Pearl]

The gospel Jesus reinforced Mosaic Law the the Jewish prophets

No, he didn't, at least if we take Matthew 19 into account.

It is a clear Gospel Jesus account which strictly countered the Mosaic narrative, by accepting eunuchs as "living for the kingdom of heaven".

I reiterate that Judaism and mosaic law condemned those who were eunuchs and Jewish culture didn't seem to accept the roman tradition of Eunuchs.

So, of we take Matthew to be indicative (and I'm not sure we should but it IS literally "Gospel Jesus"), he was outright discussing gentiles and Jewish apostates saying that they were nonetheless "living for the kingdom of heaven".

This invalidates at least some segment of mosaic law in favor of more progressive sorts of views, if you could call anything of antiquity "progressive".

It is notable that, long before the time in which the Jesus stories are set, Jewish scripture (indicating that the thinking and the understanding of at least some) had already evolved beyond the seeming relative narrowness with which the "Mosaic narrative" is commonly associated. For instance, Isaiah 56: 4-5 says:

For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths,
who choose the things that please me
and hold fast my covenant,
I will give in my house and within my walls
a monument and a name
better than sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
which shall not be cut off."