Climate Change(d)?

[Elixir]

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of livesin wars and natural disasters..

Oooh NOoooes!
That translates to “fifty thousands” per year! That could cost every American fractions of a penny EVERY YEAR!!
Run, Swiz! They’re coming for your money!

 

[TSwizzle]

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters.. A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate. The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents. Climate change ‘should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern’, say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network. An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is ‘plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately’, they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions. Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change. Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon’s dire warnings could no longer be ignored. Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White House trying to bury evidence of climate change. ‘It is yet another example of why this government should stop burying its head in the sand on this issue.’ ‘This administration is ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy and oil companies,’ he added.

Teh Grauniad

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe
Abrupt climate change
Next year widespread flooding
imminent catastrophic climate change
Ignoring the evidence
etc. etc. etc.

lol, this piece of nonsense was published in February 2004. Twenty two years ago, almost twenty three years ago.

It really is a rapture like cult.

You realize that The Guardian isn't peer reviewed scientific literature right?

ffs, this again?

Your arguments against climate change

You're a joke.

Why are you posting in this thread?

I am responding to your glib assertions because you quoted me.

Every once in a while I think... maybe, maybe this time TSwizzle will actually contribute positively to the conversation.

Why would you think that? This shit thread has been going through the same rinse and repeat cycle for years.

In a few days time, SouthernHybrid will post a doomsday climate catastrophe article and say something like "why should we believe what a scientist says when the climate denialist knows it all". I will respond "what a crock of shit this is", it's a catastrophic 73f in Santa Monica. There will be a bit of back and forth for a couple of days and it will go quiet again. It has been this way for years.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters.. A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate. The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents. Climate change ‘should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern’, say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network. An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is ‘plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately’, they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions. Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change. Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon’s dire warnings could no longer be ignored. Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White House trying to bury evidence of climate change. ‘It is yet another example of why this government should stop burying its head in the sand on this issue.’ ‘This administration is ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy and oil companies,’ he added.

Teh Grauniad

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe
Abrupt climate change
Next year widespread flooding
imminent catastrophic climate change
Ignoring the evidence
etc. etc. etc.

lol, this piece of nonsense was published in February 2004. Twenty two years ago, almost twenty three years ago.

It really is a rapture like cult.

You realize that The Guardian isn't peer reviewed scientific literature right?

ffs, this again?

Your arguments against climate change

You're a joke.

Why are you posting in this thread?

I am responding to your glib assertions because you quoted me.

You didn't respond to any assertion. You just retorted a spasm.

Every once in a while I think... maybe, maybe this time TSwizzle will actually contribute positively to the conversation.

Why would you think that? This shit thread has been going through the same rinse and repeat cycle for years.
In a few days time, SouthernHybrid will post a doomsday climate catastrophe article and say something like "why should we believe what a scientist says when the climate denialist knows it all". I will respond "what a crock of shit this is", it's a catastrophic 73f in Santa Monica. There will be a bit of back and forth for a couple of days and it will go quiet again. It has been this way for years.

Or you could try not being a dickhead.

 

[TSwizzle]

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters.. A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate. The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents. Climate change ‘should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern’, say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network. An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is ‘plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately’, they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions. Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change. Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon’s dire warnings could no longer be ignored. Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White House trying to bury evidence of climate change. ‘It is yet another example of why this government should stop burying its head in the sand on this issue.’ ‘This administration is ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy and oil companies,’ he added.

Teh Grauniad

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe
Abrupt climate change
Next year widespread flooding
imminent catastrophic climate change
Ignoring the evidence
etc. etc. etc.

lol, this piece of nonsense was published in February 2004. Twenty two years ago, almost twenty three years ago.

It really is a rapture like cult.

You realize that The Guardian isn't peer reviewed scientific literature right?

ffs, this again?

Your arguments against climate change

You're a joke.

Why are you posting in this thread?

I am responding to your glib assertions because you quoted me.

You didn't respond to any assertion. {snip}.

Yes I did and you quoted my response.

Every once in a while I think... maybe, maybe this time TSwizzle will actually contribute positively to the conversation.

Why would you think that? This shit thread has been going through the same rinse and repeat cycle for years.
In a few days time, SouthernHybrid will post a doomsday climate catastrophe article and say something like "why should we believe what a scientist says when the climate denialist knows it all". I will respond "what a crock of shit this is", it's a catastrophic 73f in Santa Monica. There will be a bit of back and forth for a couple of days and it will go quiet again. It has been this way for years.

Or you could try not being a dickhead.

Right back at ya.

 

[DBT]

Whatever anyone may be, deny it or not, the evidence shows that earth’s climate is changing and that we are contributing to it through our economic activity and emissions.

 

[steve_bank]

Amazing what you can learn just by listening to weather reporting. Heard this today in relation to El Nino and climate change.

In short it is part of what is cauing west coast flooding.

AI
Kelvin Waves and Their Role in Climate Change

Kelvin waves are long, low‑frequency waves in the ocean or atmosphere that can transport heat and alter sea levels, and they play a key role in El Niño — a major driver of global climate variability.

What Kelvin Waves Are

Kelvin waves are planetary‑scale gravity waves that travel along boundaries such as the equator or coastlines. n the ocean, they can be equatorial Kelvin waves (moving eastward along the equator) or coastal Kelvin waves (trapped along a shoreline). They are extremely long — thousands of miles — and can persist for weeks to months

AI
Kelvin waves linked to El Niño are raising West Coast sea levels by 6–12 inches, increasing the likelihood of coastal flooding when combined with high tides and storms.

Kelvin wave - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A Kelvin wave is a low-frequency gravity wave whose motion is concentrated near a vertical boundary (e.g., a shore) or the equator.[1] It occurs in the ocean and the atmosphere,[2] as well as in large lakes.[3] Waves along a coast are called coastal Kelvin waves; those along the equator are equatorial Kelvin waves. In a coastal Kelvin wave, a pressure gradient across the flow balances the Earth's Coriolis force, while the fluid moves along the boundary.[1] Kelvin wave retains its shape as it moves (being, in the shallow water model, non-dispersive[4]), and therefore does not curl over.[5] The direction of the wave is fixed: the coastal wave moves towards the poles along the eastern coasts (like California[a]) and towards the equator along the western coasts (like Japan and Australia). Around a closed basin, coastal Kelvin waves travel counterclockwise in the Northern Hemisphere[1] and clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere.[2] Equatorial Kelvin waves always travel eastward.[2]

Kelvin waves are regular events. Both equatorial[6][7] and coastal[8] waves are observed multiple times per year. Observations of the equatorial Kelvin wave are important for predictions about El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO), thus the phenomenon attracts attention of the mainstream media.[5] Coastal Kelvin waves are an important component of tide waves.[3]

The Kelvin waves have planetary scale, sometimes thousands of miles long.[5] The equatorial waves move large amounts of heat and are known to temporarily reverse some currents in the upper ocean. At the same time, the height of the equatorial wave (observed changes in the ocean level) is very small: in the Pacific, downwelling Kelvin waves raise sea level by just a few centimetres.[9]

During the meteorological or oceanographical analysis, it can be assumed that one velocity component of a Kelvin wave vanishes (for example, for an equatorial wave there is no flow in the north–south direction), thus making the momentum and continuity equations much simpler). This wave is named after its discoverer, Lord Kelvin (1879).[10][11]

 

[southernhybrid]

I read the other day that a lot of those waves are expected to hit the California coast, not that our denialist will accept the truth. I wish he'd just stay out of this thread since he had nothing intelligent to contribute to it. The link can be accessed for free, but it might ask for an email or something so I will post enough to give others an idea of what is expected to hit California. This info is primarily for those who live in the area and accept the science.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/19/...e_code=1.PlE.SPRT.i4YMrEKpSVse&smid=url-share

In just a few decades, summers in California will not only be much hotter, but will also stretch for months longer. Floods will become more widespread and extreme. Exposure to wildfire smoke will kill thousands more people every year.

Those are the dire projections of California’s Fifth Climate Change Assessment, a report produced by California every few years that analyzes the impacts of changing weather patterns on the nation’s most-populous state.

The future laid out in the report, which was published on Monday, touches on familiar warnings: more wildfires, bigger storms, longer droughts. But it illustrates in unsettling detail just how quickly the climate is being reshaped, and reveals what is likely to be major upheaval to long-established ways of life in California.

According to the report, average temperatures are likely to increase in California by about 4 degrees Fahrenheit by the middle of the century. Current warming in California is unprecedented compared with the past century and estimates for the past millennium, the report shows.

The report also found that without major intervention, as much as three-quarters of California’s beaches could disappear — either seasonally or permanently — by 2100 because of coastal erosion. In that same time frame, sea level rise is expected to threaten $78 billion worth of property because of coastal flooding.

The state’s agricultural industry is expected to take a major hit as well.

Many crops require a certain number of hours of cold temperature to develop properly, and warmer temperatures could decrease fruit yields in some parts of the state by as much as 40 percent, according to the report.

At the same time, water shortages could mean that the number of acres that farmers irrigate could decline dramatically, including by up to 40 percent in the San Joaquin Valley, a major agricultural hub.

Most of this will affect younger and future generations. Sadly, all of the warnings and evidence haven't resulted in much action.

 

[Elixir]

Sadly, all of the warnings and evidence haven't resulted in much action.

The Swizzles of the world won’t wake up until the are starving. And then they’ll blame the libs.

 

[TSwizzle]

I read the other day that a lot of those waves are expected to hit the California coast, not that our denialist will accept the truth.

You are so predictable.

I wish he'd just stay out of this thread {snip}

If that were true and you actually meant it, you would not tag me in. Let's try that next time you feel like posting another bs study.

It is true, we do have a particularly strong El Niño developing. But that's the way climate works, it is variable.

Onto the climate apocalypse porn;

The future laid out in the report, which was published on Monday, touches on familiar warnings: more wildfires, bigger storms, longer droughts. But it illustrates in unsettling detail just how quickly the climate is being reshaped, and reveals what is likely to be major upheaval to long-established ways of life in California.

According to the report, average temperatures are likely to increase in California by about 4 degrees Fahrenheit by the middle of the century. Current warming in California is unprecedented compared with the past century and estimates for the past millennium, the report shows.

The report also found that without major intervention, as much as three-quarters of California’s beaches could disappear — either seasonally or permanently — by 2100 because of coastal erosion. In that same time frame, sea level rise is expected to threaten $78 billion worth of property because of coastal flooding.

The state’s agricultural industry is expected to take a major hit as well.

Many crops require a certain number of hours of cold temperature to develop properly, and warmer temperatures could decrease fruit yields in some parts of the state by as much as 40 percent, according to the report.

At the same time, water shortages could mean that the number of acres that farmers irrigate could decline dramatically, including by up to 40 percent in the San Joaquin Valley, a major agricultural hub.

"Familiar warnings", yeah very familiar and bogus. "could be" "likely" "possibly", "maybe", "perhaps" blah, blah, blah!

Just another nonsense propaganda puff piece. This is not science.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.


It is a catastrophic 67f today.

 

[DBT]

According to the inputs, the climate is variable. As it currently stands, we with our planet wide industrial scale emissions have become an addition factor that is over and above natural factors and climate variability.

 

[ZiprHead]

Just another nonsense propaganda puff piece. This is not science.

Do you know how to prove it is not science? By providing better science.

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[Tigers!]

Tswizzle lives in a place that has pretty stable weather. I've lived in mid lower Michigan my entire life. Our climate is not stable and has gone through a huge amount of warming since I was a kid.

Our snow amounts over winter were measured in tens of feet when I was a kid. Now they are measured in inches. 14 inches this past winter.

Our local snow ski resort ceased operations probably 15 years ago. They no longer get the amount needed of natural snow to cover the slopes and the snow makers couldn't keep up with the higher temperatures.

I can't say I don't appreciate the warmer winter weather. And being smack dab in the middle of the largest bodies of fresh water in the world will be quite an advantage in the future, barring pirates and data centers.

I thought pirates and data centres were synonyms.

 

[DBT]

Pirates? Information is now the Gold Treasure?

 

[scombrid]

Water temp in La Jolla right now. The rain event we just had in my home county on the other side of the country. No extra heat.

It’s warmer in La Jolla now than when we went free diving there in early September 2025 and it was warm enough that day that I spent over three hours in the water in a 3/2 with a fair amount of bottom time in the kelp hanging out with the taupes. Skinned it surfing that week it was so warm and now in November 2026 it is warmer.

 

[southernhybrid]

Some new evidence was released this week regarding climate change.
There is more in the link then I've pasted, but the evidence, sadly, is that the climate is warming at a rapid pace.

https://wmo.int/news/media-centre/state-of-climate-2026-gives-new-meaning-phrase-charts

9 November 2026
Antalya, Türkiye (WMO) - The year 2026 continues the protracted streak of exceptional global temperatures, melting ice and rising sea levels, with a very strong El Niño event set to unleash even more heat and extreme weather well into 2027, according to a new report from the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). It highlights the knock-on risks to the environment, economy, and everyday life.
Key messages

• 2026 will be one of four warmest years on record
• El Niño turns up the heat and multiplies risks
• Sea level and ocean heat are at record high levels
• Extreme weather has massive economic and human cost
• Forecasts and warnings, underpinned by sustained observations, are vital

The WMO State of the Climate Update 2026 shows that the past 12 years have individually been the warmest on record, with the past four years being the top four. The global average surface temperature for January–September 2026 was about 1.47 °Celsius above the pre-industrial average. This figure is likely to rise through the end of the year because of the warming effect of El Niño, which has been intensifying since August and is expected to be the strongest on record by December.

Earth’s energy imbalance is rising and the earth system is accumulating heat at an accelerating rate. The imbalance reached its highest level since monitoring began, as greenhouse gases trap unprecedented amounts of heat and upset the equilibrium between incoming energy from the sun and outgoing energy. The ocean absorbs 90% of this excess heat and 2026 is on track to be the tenth successive year of record ocean warmth.

Sea level is the highest on record, and sea-surface temperatures hit monthly records during 2026. The long-term retreat of glaciers continues - the annual mass loss of ice in 2025 would have filled five Olympic pools every second of the year. Freshwater storage has been dwindling since 2014.

“We have entered a new age of climate extremes. A supersized El Niño is colliding with a planet already superheated by manmade climate change. Climate records keep falling. The human costs keep rising. And those least responsible are suffering first and worst. Leaders must get serious by cutting emissions faster, accelerating a just transition from fossil fuels and delivering the finance and protection vulnerable countries need.” said UN Secretary-General António Guterres.