How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

These is getting real. This is a big deal. Putin is starting to lose in Ukraine, and is getting desperate. He wants to escalate. I hear the options that they are considering is using nukes, attacking Nato, full military draft in Russia. China and India have nixed the nuclear idea. China would hopefully just take over Russia if this were to happen. The draft is happening. I hear that the CIA trip was to enforce that Nato is ready and will not tolerate an attack on one of its members. Meanwhile, Trump is fucking around in Iran; trying to bully Greenland and Canada. Our real enemy and the country that poses a direct threat to America right now is Russia.

Or Ratcliffe just went there to them them to hold off until after November. A sad but plausible scenario.

We have a lot of the problems in the US! But our CIA is actually pretty good. They predicted exactly how the Russians would invade Ukraine. All the credit goes to Ukraine for fighting them off. But our intelligence allowed the Ukranians to get into the right positions in the right places that aided in fighting them.

From what I read, the Russians want to split up NATO. Some experts are predicting that Russia will try to take a small piece of land near Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania. Then they will deploy massive electronic devices in the area to mask their intentions. They'll put in massive defensive systems in that area. This will confuse nato, disguising the true targets, forcing Nato to spread it defenses out. Once they hold a piece of land, Moscow would quickly populate the area with air defenses that could shoot down NATO aircraft that skirted within range to strike Russian forces, some experts predict. From what I read, nato has been rehearsing for this scenario for years. But it's getting real.

The obvious response to any Russian threat against NATO is, you and what army.

Putin can't trust his army or Air Force, what's left of it. He would have to rely on FSB forces and that's not certain. The FSB was the spearhead of the initial invasion and there were heavy losses in men and equipment.

If the Russian army had electronic warfare that could defeat NATO, it would be in kept close to refineries and Wildberries warehouses.

You are mad, if you believe any of that.
And yes, russian electronic warfare did utterly defeat NATO's "excaliburs" and HIMARS

And yet the refineries and warehouses still burn and Russians sit in their cars for days, waiting for gasoline that will never arrive.

Ukraine can bomb ships sitting in Kronstadt and there's nothing Russia can do about it. Putin is never going to do anything that might invoke NATO Article 5. He has enough problems as it is.

Recently fired Defense Minister of Ukraine disagrees with you. He thinks Ukraine is losing the war.

 

[steve_bank]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

These is getting real. This is a big deal. Putin is starting to lose in Ukraine, and is getting desperate. He wants to escalate. I hear the options that they are considering is using nukes, attacking Nato, full military draft in Russia. China and India have nixed the nuclear idea. China would hopefully just take over Russia if this were to happen. The draft is happening. I hear that the CIA trip was to enforce that Nato is ready and will not tolerate an attack on one of its members. Meanwhile, Trump is fucking around in Iran; trying to bully Greenland and Canada. Our real enemy and the country that poses a direct threat to America right now is Russia.

Or Ratcliffe just went there to them them to hold off until after November. A sad but plausible scenario.

We have a lot of the problems in the US! But our CIA is actually pretty good. They predicted exactly how the Russians would invade Ukraine. All the credit goes to Ukraine for fighting them off. But our intelligence allowed the Ukranians to get into the right positions in the right places that aided in fighting them.

From what I read, the Russians want to split up NATO. Some experts are predicting that Russia will try to take a small piece of land near Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania. Then they will deploy massive electronic devices in the area to mask their intentions. They'll put in massive defensive systems in that area. This will confuse nato, disguising the true targets, forcing Nato to spread it defenses out. Once they hold a piece of land, Moscow would quickly populate the area with air defenses that could shoot down NATO aircraft that skirted within range to strike Russian forces, some experts predict. From what I read, nato has been rehearsing for this scenario for years. But it's getting real.

The obvious response to any Russian threat against NATO is, you and what army.

Putin can't trust his army or Air Force, what's left of it. He would have to rely on FSB forces and that's not certain. The FSB was the spearhead of the initial invasion and there were heavy losses in men and equipment.

If the Russian army had electronic warfare that could defeat NATO, it would be in kept close to refineries and Wildberries warehouses.

You are mad, if you believe any of that.
And yes, russian electronic warfare did utterly defeat NATO's "excaliburs" and HIMARS

And yet the refineries and warehouses still burn and Russians sit in their cars for days, waiting for gasoline that will never arrive.

Ukraine can bomb ships sitting in Kronstadt and there's nothing Russia can do about it. Putin is never going to do anything that might invoke NATO Article 5. He has enough problems as it is.

Recently fired Defense Minister of Ukraine disagrees with you. He thinks Ukraine is losing the war.

1 million Russian casualties and climbing.

Even if Putin manages to taks over Ukraine he looses.

1. NATO is reinvigorated.
2, Putin caused two neutral countries to join NATO.
3. Russia is a war economy, historically a crash when the war ends. Economy artificially grows by military spending,
4. Russia is further isolated from he world. His dream of creating an economic block as great as the USA and the west is gone.
5. Russia already had a problem with declining population, worsened by the war casualties. Not enough workers.

Nothing new, the history of war and economics.

AI Overview

Russia operates a heavy wartime economy, though it falls short of a historical "total war" mobilization because private consumer markets and non-military trade still function.Budget and Defense FocusHigh Spending: Defense and security take up nearly 40% of Russia's total federal budget.State Orders: Government contracts for weapons and military gear drive most of the country's economic activity.Resource Shift: Factories and money move away from public health, education, and civilian industries to support the armed forces.Limits of Total MobilizationActive Consumer Market: Unlike World War II command economies, civilian stores, restaurants, and private businesses remain open.External Trade: Russia still sells oil and gas to buyers like China and India to fund its budget, rather than relying solely on domestic rationing.Partial Conscription: The Kremlin relies on contract soldiers and high wages to fill army ranks rather than a total draft of the entire workforce.Growing Economic StrainsLabor Shortages: Millions of workers have joined the military or left the country, creating a severe shortage of civilian labor.Rising Prices: Basic goods like food and utility bills cost much more due to inflation and a strained supply chain.Reduced Profits: Non-military companies make less profit even as state-paid wages temporarily boost overall numbers.If you'd like, I can share more details on:How Western sanctions affect this wartime systemThe long-term risks of stagnation for Russia