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How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

 
 
 
TV and credit cards said:
Trump's lifting of sanctions on Russian diesel looks to be no more. Was it just a pre-election last ditch lame-ass attempt by Trump that did nothing and is now going nowhere?
Initial shipments have changed course, one indicating it is headed to Brazil, another turned away from its US destination and doesn't know which where to go.
I guess that's that.
Thanks for playing Vlad.
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And two more are now floating around with no planned destination. This is where you cut the price to the bone just to offload the stuff. Any potential buyer has you over a barrel.

In other news, Russia has set a new record, 2,240 killed or severely wounded in the last 24 hours. 751 of those loses were by Ukrainian drones, a record for Ukraine. This while Russia tries to break the will of the Ukrainian people by striking aid centers. Good luck with that.
Russia isn't doing so well out in the field these days.
 
TV and credit cards said:
In other news, Russia has set a new record, 2,240 killed or severely wounded in the last 24 hours. 751 of those loses were by Ukrainian drones, a record for Ukraine
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80 year old guy complains to to the doctor that he can't any longer perform sexually:
80 year old: Doctor my friend who is 85 says that he does it it every day.
Doctor: You can say it too.
 
barbos said:
steve_bank said:
If yoo have a link to a Russian forum where I would be free to post this let me know.
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Do you speak russian?
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He doesn't need to. Anyone can translate English into Russian and vice versa these days with Google Translate. Steve could post the Russian translation alongside the English, although I would advise him to use the AI to spell check his English before translating to Russian.
 
TV and credit cards said:
Trump's lifting of sanctions on Russian diesel looks to be no more. Was it just a pre-election last ditch lame-ass attempt by Trump that did nothing and is now going nowhere?
Initial shipments have changed course, one indicating it is headed to Brazil, another turned away from its US destination and doesn't know which where to go.
I guess that's that.
Thanks for playing Vlad.

Another refinery was hit, one of Russia's three largest, this one in Ryazan. Hopefully a damage assessment will follow.
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The diesel in question had the same chance of making it to the US as it had of reaching a Russian military unit in Donbas.
 
I speak Russian good.

Boris, da, nyet.

I would not use a translator especially AI on a public forum. I have no way to know what it may rreally infer.

That Russians may not speak English shows how backwards they are.
 
steve_bank said:
I speak Russian good.

Boris, da, nyet.

I would not use a translator especially AI on a public forum. I have no way to know what it may rreally infer.

That Russians may not speak English shows how backwards they are.
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Russians are no more backward than anyone else. I know many who are extremely well-educated and not fans of Vladimir Putin or the invasion of Ukraine. I think that the new LLM technology has made tremendous leaps in providing an opportunity for people who do not speak each other's languages to communicate and interact with each other. Russian poses the additional barrier of using a Cyrillic, rather than Latin, alphabet, but different writing systems pose little obstacle to the new wave of translation programs. It's just that you would get better results with a sophisticated spell checker to fix misspelled words.
 
Copernicus said:
Russians are no more backward than anyone else.
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So, possibly quite backward indeed. 😝
Copernicus said:
I know many who are extremely well-educated and not fans of Vladimir Putin or the invasion of Ukraine.
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Who you know is unlikely to represent “Russians”. Especially as are yourself not quite representative of “Americans” afaict. But go ahead - convince me of your averageness!
IMO “backward” people are no better or worse than “forward thinking” people, and often pay better attention to real priorities.
 
Elixir said:
Copernicus said:
Russians are no more backward than anyone else.
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So, possibly quite backward indeed. 😝
Copernicus said:
I know many who are extremely well-educated and not fans of Vladimir Putin or the invasion of Ukraine.
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Who you know is unlikely to represent “Russians”. Especially as are yourself not quite representative of “Americans” afaict. But go ahead - convince me of your averageness!
IMO “backward” people are no better or worse than “forward thinking” people, and often pay better attention to real priorities.
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Sure, but they also shoot down MH17 because the entire concept of intercontinental air travel goes (literally) over their heads, so if a big radar blip is coming from the direction of Ukraine, and there are no Russian aircraft expected, it must be a Ukrainian military transport, right?
 
bilby said:
Elixir said:
Copernicus said:
Russians are no more backward than anyone else.
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So, possibly quite backward indeed. 😝
Copernicus said:
I know many who are extremely well-educated and not fans of Vladimir Putin or the invasion of Ukraine.
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Who you know is unlikely to represent “Russians”. Especially as are yourself not quite representative of “Americans” afaict. But go ahead - convince me of your averageness!
IMO “backward” people are no better or worse than “forward thinking” people, and often pay better attention to real priorities.
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Sure, but they also shoot down MH17 because the entire concept of intercontinental air travel goes (literally) over their heads, so if a big radar blip is coming from the direction of Ukraine, and there are no Russian aircraft expected, it must be a Ukrainian military transport, right?
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Yeah, shit happens. :shrug:
That’s why, if we survive the Trump era’s spectacular death throes, we should all convert to Islam so we can get down on our knees in gratitude and people won’t think it’s weird.
 
I see Russia as backwards.

Russian went from an oppressive monarchy to an oppressive authoritarian system, Stalinism. Russian communism set Russia back and it never recovered. Putin is the old Soviet system, allegiance of client states bb force. The Spviet block states.

Ukrainians kicked out the Russian puppet leader and decided to economically align with te EU.

Sovietization of the Baltic states - Wikipedia

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The Sovietization of the Baltic states is the sovietization of all spheres of life in Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania when they were under control of the Soviet Union. The first period deals with the occupation from June 1940 to July 1941, followed by the German occupation during World War II. The second period of occupation covers 1944, when the Soviet forces pushed the Germans out, until the end of the Soviet occupation in 1991, when the three countries restored full independence.

Following the Soviet invasion of the Baltic states in June 1940, repressive measures were enforced in these countries, including arrests, executions, and mass deportations, in accordance with the Serov Instructions. Thousands of opposants and their families were arrested and deported to eliminate any political and social opposition. Rigged elections led the Communist Party to power, and the three countries incorporated the Soviet Union.
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www.atlanticcouncil.org

Reclaiming Russia’s ‘historical lands’: How far do Putin’s imperial ambitions extend?

Putin has again vowed to "liberate Russia's historical lands" via negotiations or military means. The list of countries that could qualify as "historically Russian" in Putin's revisionist worldview is long and extends far beyond Ukraine, writes Peter Dickinson.
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As US officials talk up the prospects of a compromise peace with the Kremlin, Russian President Vladimir Putin has once again signaled that his expansionist appetite is far from sated. In a bellicose address delivered to Russian Defense Ministry officials in Moscow on December 17, Putin declared that the maximalist goals of his Ukraine invasion will be met “unconditionally” and framed the war as a crusade to reverse Russia’s post-Soviet retreat. “If the opposing side and their foreign patrons refuse to engage in substantive discussions, Russia will achieve ⁠the liberation of its historical lands by ‌military means,” he declared.

None of this is entirely new, of course. Putin has long been notorious for delivering rambling history lectures to justify Russia’s war against Ukraine, and has directly compared the current invasion to Russian Czar Peter the Great’s eighteenth-century wars of imperial conquest. Nevertheless, at a time when European leaders are already looking to the eastern horizon with trepidation, it makes sense to explore what Putin means by “historically Russian lands” and examine just how far his imperial ambitions may actually stretch.
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Elixir said:
Copernicus said:
Russians are no more backward than anyone else.
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So, possibly quite backward indeed. 😝
Copernicus said:
I know many who are extremely well-educated and not fans of Vladimir Putin or the invasion of Ukraine.
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Who you know is unlikely to represent “Russians”. Especially as are yourself not quite representative of “Americans” afaict. But go ahead - convince me of your averageness!
IMO “backward” people are no better or worse than “forward thinking” people, and often pay better attention to real priorities.
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I'm not sure what you mean by the expression "represent Russians". What I said is that they are no more backward than anyone else, in my experience. What does it really mean to call an entire people "backward"? Generally speaking, they aren't much different from Americans, but social pressures on them bring out some of their worst instincts. The same can be said for Americans during the Trump administration. It's just that we don't face anything like the challenges that the average Russian does, especially since Putin decided to invade Ukraine in 2014. They are living under a fascist dictator who is intent on expanding his empire and doesn't care how many people have to suffer in order for him to achieve his ends.
 
www.euronews.com

Finnish court jails Russian captain over Baltic Sea cable sabotage

The Russian captain was ordered jailed for three years and six months and the crew member, an Azerbaijan national, for two years and 10 months. #EuropeNews
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Finnish court jails Russian captain over Baltic Sea cable sabotage

The Helsinki District Court said it had convicted the captain and his deputy on the Fitburg for "aggravated criminal damage".

The Russian captain was ordered jailed for three years and six months and the crew member, an Azerbaijan national, for two years and 10 months.

The Fitburg, a 132-metre-long cargo ship that had left St Petersburg in Russia and was sailing to the Israeli port of Haifa was detained on New Year's Eve following suspicion that the ship's anchor had damaged a telecoms cable in the Gulf of Finland...

The vessel, flagged from St Vincent and the Grenadines, is believed to have dragged its anchor along the seabed for several kilometres, Finnish authorities said.
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Barbos on timeout?
Good. I've got more western propaganda to post.
Recent Ukrainian attacks have reduced Russia's oil processing capacity by 30%, sources say
According to the industry sources, the combined daily nameplate capacity of Russian refineries affected by drone attacks since late October, including three major plants in central Russia, stands at around 300,000 metric tons, or 2.2 million barrels, compared with Russia's total primary refining capacity of about 930,000 tons per day.
At the end of October, Russian refineries were processing about 700,000 tons, or 5 million barrels, of crude per day, according to the sources.

The sources estimate that the ‌actual ⁠reduction in crude processing at Russian refineries could be up to 200,000 tons per day.
The affected plants include refineries in Ryazan, Yaroslavl and the Volga region.
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