“Revolution in Thought: A new look at determinism and free will"

[peacegirl]

Note what Seymour Lessans thinks about gays in the underlined yellow part:

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What he meant was that boys and girls may not have the opportunity to meet and fall mutually in love. Sometimes it’s because boys and girls are not considered marriage material based on today’s standards. This has everything to do with the environment they live in. You would know what he meant from his other writings. Do you think you’ve added something I’m hiding?

 

[steve_bank]

Note what Seymour Lessans thinks about gays in the underlined yellow part:

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That’s exactly what I just said, Pood. Do you think you’ve added something I’m hiding?

After 6561 p0osts here is nothing new to say.

 

[steve_bank]

Pg labels Lessans with the words great man, and projects that out onto the world.

When no one else believes it she feels discomfort and hurt. She suffers.'

She suffers over the deference between reality and words.

I know the difference between reality and words that are true representations, and those that are not.

You are a prime example of what you described.

Oh the irony.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[pood]

Note what Seymour Lessans thinks about gays in the underlined yellow part:

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What he meant was that boys and girls may not have the opportunity to meet and fall mutually in love. Sometimes it’s because boys and girls are not considered marriage material based on today’s standards. This has everything to do with the environment they live in. You would know what he meant from his other writings. Do you think you’ve added something I’m hiding?

Peacegirl, do you agree that will we discover that 98 percent of “homo-sexual” intercourse only comes into existence because boys and girls are denied the opportunity to indulge with the opposite sex and fall in love? Yes? No?

 

[pood]

Wait! Let me guess! I am taking his plain words “out of context.”

 

[steve_bank]

Homosexual sex among men who do not identify as homosexual or bisexual is a documented phenomenon often referred to in sociology and research as Heterosexual-Identifying Men Who Have Sex with Men (HI-MSM) or sometimes "heteroflexible". Research suggests that for these men, same-sex activity is not necessarily an expression of a hidden gay identity, but rather a practice that can exist alongside a, or be justified within a, heterosexual identity.

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I knew an engineer in the 80s who worked in the Mid East. He said it was an open secret men had sex with each other due to the fact that the social norms prevented unmarried men and women from socializing alone.

That may be part of it, but in interviews and shows I have watched young kids who seem to know early on they are not attracted to the opposite sex.

What I see is Lessons as yet another who thinks he is a moral authority decreeing morality in a future world.

Forcing one kind of homosexual to change. Nazi kind of thinking.

I have nothing but contempt for any like Lessans.

WE have had enough of it after 2000 years of Chrtianity.

 

[pood]

The writer Gore Vidal claimed that had had sex with more than 1,000 people by the time he was 25, almost all of them men who were gay hustlers whom he paid.

He never fell in love with any of them. Nor will people like him vanish in Lessans’ imaginary new world.

He did have a first love, a boy with whom he was physically intimate. That boy was shipped to off to Iwo Jima where he died.

Vidal rejected “homosexual” as a noun. He said that “homosexual” was an adjective, as in “homosexual behavior.”

He had some kind of affair with Anais Nin, Henry Miller’s lover, but it’s unclear whether they ever had sex. But he did write love letters to her.

For most of his life he lived with a man. He said they never had sex. After this man died, Vidal said he loved him.

Vidal understood that sex and gender expression is fluid, as it would be naturally if we were not living under the crushing cultural burdens of crap like Christianity and Islam and Fascism.

All of these facts totally obliterate Lessans’ nonsense, which would be another cultural burden if adopted. Fortunately, it never will be.

 

[peacegirl]

The writer Gore Vidal claimed that had had sex with more than 1,000 people by the time he was 25, almost all of them men who were gay hustlers whom he paid.

He never fell in love with any of them. Nor will people like him vanish in Lessans’ imaginary new world.

He did have a first love, a boy with whom he was physically intimate. That boy was shipped to off to Iwo Jima where he died.

Vidal rejected “homosexual” as a noun. He said that “homosexual” was an adjective, as in “homosexual behavior.”

He had some kind of affair with Anais Nin, Henry Miller’s lover, but it’s unclear whether they ever had sex. But he did write love letters to her.

For most of his life he lived with a man. He said they never had sex. After this man died, Vidal said he loved him.

Vidal understood that sex and gender expression is fluid, as it would be naturally if we were not living under the crushing cultural burdens of crap like Christianity and Islam and Fascism.

All of these facts totally obliterate Lessans’ nonsense, which would be another cultural burden if adopted. Fortunately, it never will be.

You are way too defensive! Whether homosexuality is biological or environmental, he stated is that it’s nobody’s business who you partner with, but your own. The one thing that people will naturally gravitate toward is monogamy.

 

[peacegirl]

Homosexual sex among men who do not identify as homosexual or bisexual is a documented phenomenon often referred to in sociology and research as Heterosexual-Identifying Men Who Have Sex with Men (HI-MSM) or sometimes "heteroflexible". Research suggests that for these men, same-sex activity is not necessarily an expression of a hidden gay identity, but rather a practice that can exist alongside a, or be justified within a, heterosexual identity.

Heterosexual-identifying men who have sex with men: an understudied population | UCL Institute for Global Health blog

UCL Homepage

blogs.ucl.ac.uk

I knew an engineer in the 80s who worked in the Mid East. He said it was an open secret men had sex with each other due to the fact that the social norms prevented unmarried men and women from socializing alone.

That may be part of it, but in interviews and shows I have watched young kids who seem to know early on they are not attracted to the opposite sex.

What I see is Lessons as yet another who thinks he is a moral authority decreeing morality in a future world.

Forcing one kind of homosexual to change. Nazi kind of thinking.

I have nothing but contempt for any like Lessans.

WE have had enough of it after 2000 years of Chrtianity.

You are so confused, Steve, there’s no way to get through to you. This new world removes any moral code which tells someone what to do. There is no authority figure. No one will force anybody to change. It’s the exact opposite of what you think this book is about. You’ve learned nothing.

 

[DBT]

Getting through to someone? The fact that light at the eye/ instant vision is impossible appears something that's hard to get through.

 

[pood]

Getting through to someone? The fact that light at the eye/ instant vision is impossible appears something that's hard to get through.

But it does appear that way instantly?

 

[pood]

Ask Ms. Sex Organs
Advice for the Lovelorn in the New World of Seymour Lessandia

Dear Ms. Sex Organs: My husband’s sex organs refuse to offer my sex organs emotional support. His genitalia seem distant and unavailable. Lately I’ve been having stressful problems at work (though I’m not blaming anyone — that is completely forbidden in the Golden Age) but I can’t seem to get a rise out of his sex organs, though I love them so dearly. In addition to remaining utterly mute, his penis is constantly flaccid. This is causing me emotional distress, though I recognize that my sex organs cannot strike a first blow by blaming his sex organs. What shall I do?

Ms. Sex Organs: The answer is obvious. Straddle that junk and start humping! Soon all your problems at work will be solved because you will climax simultaneously. Remember, you fell in love with his sex organs and got married for life after fucking for the first time, so quit yer bellyachin’ and get with the program.

Dear Ms. Sex Organs: Recently I offered a bouquet of Valentine’s Day roses to the vulva of my wife for life, but her organs did not even get wet. Was she advance blaming me? How is that possible in the New World?

Ms. Sex Organs: No, you were advance blaming her sex organs by presuming they would welcome roses. Advance blaming is completely forbidden in the Golden Age. You may have to be sent to a concentration camp.

Dear Ms. Sex Organs: How is it possible for light to be at the eye instantly even though it takes time for light to get to the eye?

Ms. Sex Organs: Fuck off. I’m a sex columnist, not an idiot.

 

[peacegirl]

Getting through to someone? The fact that light at the eye/ instant vision is impossible appears something that's hard to get through.

But it does appear that way instantly?

Because appearances are illusive! Go deeper my friends and you will find the treasure.

 

[peacegirl]

Ask Ms. Sex Organs
Advice for the Lovelorn in the New World of Seymour Lessandia

Dear Ms. Sex Organs: My husband’s sex organs refuse to offer my sex organs emotional support. His genitalia seem distant and unavailable. Lately I’ve been having stressful problems at work (though I’m not blaming anyone — that is completely forbidden in the Golden Age) but I can’t seem to get a rise out of his sex organs, though I love them so dearly. In addition to remaining utterly mute, his penis is constantly flaccid. This is causing me emotional distress, though I recognize that my sex organs cannot strike a first blow by blaming his sex organs. What shall I do?

Ms. Sex Organs: The answer is obvious. Straddle that junk and start humping! Soon all your problems at work will be solved because you will climax simultaneously. Remember, you fell in love with his sex organs and got married for life after fucking for the first time, so quit yer bellyachin’ and get with the program.

Dear Ms. Sex Organs: Recently I offered a bouquet of Valentine’s Day roses to the vulva of my wife for life, but her organs did not even get wet. Was she advance blaming me? How is that possible in the New World?

Ms. Sex Organs: No, you were advance blaming her sex organs by presuming they would welcome roses. Advance blaming is completely forbidden in the Golden Age. You may have to be sent to a concentration camp.

Dear Ms. Sex Organs: How is it possible for light to be at the eye instantly even though it takes time for light to get to the eye?

Ms. Sex Organs: Fuck off. I’m a sex columnist, not an idiot.

Pood you are defending a position because you do not feel heard. I hear you. You have permission to live the way you want. You are free! Why would you disagree with the very thing you are fighting for? You have no reason to feel the need to defend yourself. This is what you’re failing to understand. This discovery is all about a kinder world; a world of acceptance.

 

[steve_bank]

Now we are going on a treasure hunt?

Another tried and true tactic, keep looking but never find anything. There are TV shows on mysteries that episode after episode lead the viewer on a suspense that goes nowhere. The intro to a show infers there is a great revaluation to be had.

Christians do it in a sense. They get you tangled in debate over details of scripture and you lose sight of fact there is nothing to be found.

Somebody brought up thee idea Lessans crafted an intentional fiction.

He is starting to look like a con artist. According to Pg he was a pol hall hu8stler.

Pg has yet to lay it all out how all of it including instant vision and determinism will get rid of war, crime, and suffering. That is after all the claim. We get sidetracked losing sight of that debating physics.

 

[peacegirl]

Now we are going on a treasure hunt?

No, the treasure has been found.

Another tried and true tactic, keep looking but never find anything. There are TV shows on mysteries that episode after episode lead the viewer on a suspense that goes nowhere. The intro to a show infers there is a great revaluation to be had.

This is not a television show. There is no mystery that hasn't been answered.

Christians do it in a sense. They get you tangled in debate over details of scripture and you lose sight of fact there is nothing to be found.

That isn't the case here. There is no debate over the details without a full understanding of the full implications.

Somebody brought up thee idea Lessans crafted an intentional fiction.

He was as truthful as you can get.

He is starting to look like a con artist. According to Pg he was a pol hall hu8stler.

He was an expert pool player. That didn't make him a con artist. He actually wouldn't take money from someone who wasn't aware of his talent.

Pg has yet to lay it all out how all of it including instant vision and determinism will get rid of war, crime, and suffering. That is after all the claim. We get sidetracked losing sight of that debating physics.

I have tried to keep us on track regarding his claim that will is not free, yet people won't let me continue. They keep reverting to his second discovery that the eyes aren't sense organs, which is also significant for how we will treat each other, but it's not the main discovery.

 

[steve_bank]

What Pg wants is for the conversation to continue.

 

[peacegirl]

What Pg wants is for the conversation to continue.

Not really. If people believe that this thread is a con, then I'll move on.