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The Bible and Pedophilia

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So obviously with the Epstein files still on the public’s mind despite various distractions, I heard a right winger talk about how he supports the laws of the Old Testament such as the death penalty for murder, rape and pedophilia.

I thought for a second and realized that this guy has obviously never read the Bible. There is no mandate for executing anyone for raping an unbetrothed virgin - just a married woman. But then I realized I don’t know of any condemnation of pedophilia. So if you rape a girl, of say, 11 years old, just before puberty, you aren’t punished - you just have to pay her father the bride price, and then marry her since she’s damaged goods. Pedophilia simply isn’t condemned in the Old Testament. There’s absolutely no discussion of the age of consent or for marriage. There is however a distinction drawn between a girl at age 12 and one day in some texts, but not the Bible itself. That’s probably the age where she could be married and that was generally the minimum age for Roman girls later.

The New Testament is more explicit that only sex between married couples is allowed. At least Paul made that clear even if Jesus never did. But there’s nothing about how old a girl must be before she’s married off.

Regardless, it appear that most women in ancient times were married off around 15 or so, but some may have gone longer for various reasons. No one would have thought twice about marrying off your daughter at age 12 though. Pedophilia wasn’t just prohibited, it was actually quite acceptable in the Bible.
 
Referring to the Bible for legal advice is always buffet style dinner, where you can take what you like and leave the rest. The same Bible which decrees "they shall be put to death," for numerous offenses, also prohibits the eating of crawfish and catfish. This is overlooked because in my neighborhood it would make most church suppers an abomination in the eyes of the Lord.

The line between childhood and adulthood has always been a social construct and we're still arguing over it today. Yesterday I heard someone argue that an 18 year old was too young to be trusted to cast a responsible vote. I find this kind of thing particularly offensive because I remember the driving force behind the 26th Amendment was the fact that 18 year olds were being drafted and sent to Viet Nam. I remember being in 9th grade and among my friends with our naïve world view, we just assumed Viet Nam was in our future.

It's always struck me as strange when adults(by any measure) declare young people to be irresponsible and then dump responsibilities on them.
 
So obviously with the Epstein files still on the public’s mind despite various distractions, I heard a right winger talk about how he supports the laws of the Old Testament such as the death penalty for murder, rape and pedophilia.

I thought for a second and realized that this guy has obviously never read the Bible. There is no mandate for executing anyone for raping an unbetrothed virgin - just a married woman. But then I realized I don’t know of any condemnation of pedophilia. So if you rape a girl, of say, 11 years old, just before puberty, you aren’t punished - you just have to pay her father the bride price, and then marry her since she’s damaged goods. Pedophilia simply isn’t condemned in the Old Testament. There’s absolutely no discussion of the age of consent or for marriage. There is however a distinction drawn between a girl at age 12 and one day in some texts, but not the Bible itself. That’s probably the age where she could be married and that was generally the minimum age for Roman girls later.

The New Testament is more explicit that only sex between married couples is allowed. At least Paul made that clear even if Jesus never did. But there’s nothing about how old a girl must be before she’s married off.

Regardless, it appear that most women in ancient times were married off around 15 or so, but some may have gone longer for various reasons. No one would have thought twice about marrying off your daughter at age 12 though. Pedophilia wasn’t just prohibited, it was actually quite acceptable in the Bible.
What he's talking about is specifically the misinterpretation of a pair of passages about men who groom and have sex with boys, which has been construed to call all homosexuals pedophiles. Specifically, the original translation of Leviticus.

This was then reinterpreted in 1946 as 'homosexual', leading to a longstanding conflation of homosexuals and pedophiles.

Paul later is credited with more vigorous persecution, specifically in a "toxic masculine" sense.

So the Leviticus does say something about it, but only to protect boys, not girls, and the Paul takes it a step further and conflates this with homosexuality in general.
 
Don't know about right now.

Until fairly recently Saudi Arabia was criticized for the practice of a family selling young girls to an older man for marriage.

This has been in the news.

AI Overview
Saudi Arabia has introduced strict regulatory reforms to curb child marriage and penalize guardians who try to force underage girls into marriage. While historically there was no statutory minimum marriage age—allowing conservative regions to see instances of fathers marrying young daughters to older men for financial arrangements or dowries—the Saudi Ministry of Justice established a formal legal minimum age of 18 for both genders. Any marriage involving an individual under 18 now requires special authorization from a specialized court to ensure the minor's consent, safety, and best interests.



I think if you want to undershorts ancient Jews look at modern conservative Muslims in the Mid East states.

Mohamed built his scripture on the Old Testament. He refereed to Jews as People Of The Book.
 
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